When Did It Become The Same???

Posted: March 21, 2012 by Handy in Life, Politics, Religion
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So me and my ace boon coon were rapping the other day and he brought up an interesting point. He asked me how I felt about gay marriages and I told him, “Nawwwwww dawg I ain’t feelin’ it, I just don’t believe in it.” After that, he told me his viewpoint about gay marriages and then we were on to the next topic of discussion. After we went about our separate business, I saw an ad of two men that were lovers that said, “We use protection, get protected” and that made our discussion jump right back into the forefront of my mind. It must have been a sign for me to discuss the topic especially at a time when legislatures are trying to pass laws across all of the states to legalize gay marriages, so here we are.

To me, I do not think gay marriages should be legalized and this is why. Religion and government are not the same. Point. Blank. Period. The government always seem to somehow try to meddle its way into religion, but they are not the same, not by a long shot. Example, if you are a Christian (I am using Christianity in my examples because that is the religion I follow, I cannot speak on other religions), the Bible says that it is a sin to kill anyone for any reason. Now the law allows for “legal killings” i.e.,”death penalty, self-defense”. Now do I think that someone who is a serial killer, who created horror and despair into the lives of the victims’ families, deserve to die under the death penalty, fo’ sho’. But as a Christian, do I believe he deserves the die? Of course not. Just because something is legal does not mean religiously it is right or accepted.

Religion and government are not the same. I come back to this point for emphasis. It cannot and never will co-exist because laws are written by man and the rules of the Bible were created by the Lord. So why do we try to intertwine these two as human beings, that is a question I cannot answer. With that being said, the real reason that gay marriages cannot exist is because marriages are a religious sanction. It’s a reason they are performed in CHURCHES by PASTORS!!! I am pretty sure people have been homosexual since the beginning of mankind. I am quite certain people were getting married way before the law recognized these partnerships. I feel as if something is a religious sanction, that are performed in churches cannot and should not be turned into a law if it is not accepted in the religion. Homosexuality is not accepted in the Christian religion, therefore I do not believe gay people can get married. To me, when you make that choice, you made the choice to not be able to participate in certain things.

Religion and government are not the same. Clearly. No debate. So let’s just stop the debate about this. I have nothing against gay people at all. What you choose as your lifestyle, is your choice, I’m all for free will. But I cannot accept something that is not allowed at all in a religion, is considered an abomination in that same religion, to be celebrated and allowed to be treated like it’s right. I did not write the Bible, nor am I the most devout Christian, I sin just as much, if not more than the next Christian. But I also respect it enough to know that I cannot go into a church, the house of the Lord and stand under God and ask for a hand in marriage from a same-sex lover. It is the same to me if you go to the courthouse to legally get married. Marriages to me should only be performed in churches because it is something you do under God, so it cannot be performed somewhere else. It is a religious sanction, so that is how it should stay. But hey that’ s just me, what about y’all???

  1. Anonymous says:

    Good points…As a christian I debate this issue a lot. From the perspective of my gay friends they want marriage legalized so they can be recognized by the government esp when it concerns joint ownership and medical decisions (which is understandable). From my perspective I honor Gods law and no its not right…but i’ll respect everyone equally bc at the end of the day they will answer to God not me. One issue I do see…the church is putting a lot of energy into protesting gay marriage however they aren’t doing enough to strengthen and protect heterosexual marriages. I think many politicians are pushing this law not because they actually favor gay marriage but they want to secure the votes of the lgbt community.

  2. vonnie says:

    This such a bebateable topic. I agree with the points you made that church and government are not the same. Religion and government creates such a gray area. Everyone does not follow the same religious beliefs and laws are created to maintain order. I am curious to hear your opinion about abortion. The law says its allowed in certain states, yet that is against the christian bible as well.
    I want to pick your brain about something. You are a Christian, so am I. We believe a sin is a sin. We also believe God forgives us of our sins. Do you believe being married to the same sex is more of a sin than killing a person or having sex before marriage? People get so worked up on the fact that they are allowing gays to be married but other sins are taken lightly? Isn’t all of this for God to judge? Being gay may be a sin, but we are to love one another, and wouldn’t you rather they legalize love then legalize killing?

  3. vonnie says:

    (Sorry i am replying from my cell)
    Catholics believe that being gay is the ultimate abomination. That God will forgive a person for killing their brother but if you are gay, you go straight to hell. I believe it is for God to judge. JESUS died for love. Straight people sin everyday. I do feel people have the right to judge whether gays should be married. If it is so wrong, then they will answer to the most high, but i believe God is forgiving.
    Overall, yes i agree, church and government are not the same. However, sometimes law must be set to create some sort of order. Then, I feel the judgement of whether gay marraiges are an abomination or not, is up to God to judge.

  4. vonnie says:

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NKJV

    Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

  5. Handy says:

    I agree with you also on that point, I think that churches need to do a lot more as far as helping to keep marriages intact due to the high divorce rate, but that’s another issue for another day. I have no problems with people being gay, I just don’t see how if you consider yourself a Christian to be able to accept being married in a courthouse or church or anywhere else knowing its not allowed in the religion.
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  6. Handy says:

    In response to Vonnie, I agree that sins are sins regardless of what they are. We all have to answer to God when we leave here and he is the ultimate judge, that’s why I said I’m not judging them for being gay. What I am simply saying that something that started as a religious sanction should stay that way and be respected that way. If you are a homosexual, u cannot say under the Bible that you can get married that’s all. I rather them call it something else like a domestic partnership, I won’t argue that, but to say that they are married, I believe the government is taking it too far. People were getting married long before the government recognized it as marriage or wrote it into laws. It’s what you believe the Bible says to you. Like I was taught the Bible says that suicide and being a homosexual are abominations under God, so that’s just my view on it. But if you were taught different, then you will have a different outlook about it. I have no problems with anyone being gay, I just don’t think their partnership should be called a marriage that’s all, but that’s just my opinion. And I actually have a blog about abortions, you should read that one too.

  7. Anonymous says:

    I feel that this blog post was a bit convoluted and contradictory. In my opinion religion and politics are one in the same. I feel as though gay marriage should be legalized. What marriages symbolize today (on paper) are business partnerships and gays want those same privileges.

  8. Anonymous says:

    I can respect to your opinion about religion and politics being one and the same, but i just don’t agree.with that statement. To say that means that all religions that are practiced should be included in the the government laws, but they aren’t, it’s only based on Christianity honestly. Gay people should have the same priveleges as anyone else, I just don’t think their partnerships should be called marriages that’s all.

    • Anonymous says:

      Agreed. I should have clarified Christianity. I was under the impression that, that was understood based on the subject matter.

  9. Puff says:

    I have sat back for a couple days listening to the feedback this post is getting, both on here and in person. This is a very interesting topic to me, and as Handy and I continue to debate it, I feel there are a couple things that people need to understand. For starters this specific post is about separating government from religion, and uses the thought of gay marriages as the example. The underlined notion that I think he leaving out is, that he does not believe the term marriage should be a government term. We have had several conversations about marriage, both hetero/homosexual. He clearly believes that marriage is a religious sanction. I on the other hand view marriage as political move with religious ideals. Now back to the focal point “gay marriage.” I agree in the aspect that it should not be performed in a church, however that does not mean the union should not happen. If one was to view homosexuals as the minority they are, nothing separates them from African Americans in their plight for justice. During slavery blacks were not ALLOWED to marry, viewed as not even a full human. During this time the bible or Christianity was used in the same format, as a tool to suppress the different. Fast forward thousands of years later, I believe history is repeating itself yet again. With that said; I am not an advocate for homosexuality, but if that’s your choice, I do believe you should be entitled to proper rights. As far as marriage goes, it is not accepted until the proper legal documentations are filed. So even if you do get married in a church, your not official until the government gives the green light. If that’s the case, the names on the paper shouldn’t matter.

  10. Anonymous says:

    People often argue that “a sin, is a sin, is a sin…Being gay is just as bad as killing and stealing”. —In response true! But to put an end to the madness no one is trying to LEGALIZE killing and stealing! So why is gay marriage (a sin) being legalized. Whats wrong is wrong!


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